In this episode of Knowing and Believing we sit down with Brenda Johnson, Pastor at the Saco Seventh Day Adventist Church to discuss her experience leading a congregation within an institution that does not freely ordain women. The conversation focuses on the challenges and unique opportunities presented in such an environment, while also discussing ways the church has evolved and continues to evolve under female leadership. What has been the impact on close family members and friends? How does the church pursue a more open stance on LGBTQ issues? These are just a few of the important questions we address in our interview with Pastor Brenda Johnson.